Beauty And The Beast Options

The dream started with me floating in an ocean at night. There was no land in sight in any direction. The sky overhead was clear as can be, with the milky way and moon both shining brightly, and reflecting off the surface of the calm water. The water below seemed equally infinite, but dark and unseen. In a way they were mirror opposites, one showing visibly a sight into infinity, the other murky and unseen but no less infinite.

I became aware that I was not alone. My then-fiance was with me. (I'll call him my fiance for proper context at the time of this dream. he's currently an ex fiance though). He was disconcerted about the depths, both above and below, and about the lack of land. I myself was very much in harmony with this setting, and very much enjoying it with a sense of childlike awe.

From beneath us rose a shape in the water. It was a pale white color, almost luminous in the murky water, and could only be seen as it came quite close to the surface, so as to be illuminated by the moonlight. As it came closer up under us, it's scale became obvious. It was huge, larger than a whale, and it looked kinda like a giant squid. I immediately recognized it's "feel" though, and knew it to be my patron (albeit in a strange form).

I was completely elated to see her, particularly in such a beautiful setting. My fiance was frightened, and tried to swim away. I let him, and waited for this giant squid, who was my true beloved, to get close enough to touch. Eventually my fiance swam off into the distance and I didn't hear him anymore. Meanwhile my patron breeched the surface beneath me, and I rested on top of her, embracing her odd form in a hug. I was very glad to share such an idyllic scene with her.

Then I held on tight, and she went fact through the water like a 500ft long jet ski. Water sprayed up on either side of me, and glistened in the moonlight. It was very picturesque. It vaguely reminded me of the scene in Dune where they ride the spice worms. The overwhelming sense of scale was similar. It was interesting that despite a sense of scale which should have been extremely intimidating, I felt nothing but the most intense intimacy. Size or form meant nothing. She and I played in the water for some time before I woke up.


It contains plenty of symbolism, psychological, spiritual, emotional, it foreshadows the course of my actual relationship quite well too. It's a fond memory, as dreams go. And while I feel that the water and sky and fiance were all just 'dream content', my patron was very much really 'in' the dream with me, sharing my dreamscape.

This post has been edited by Kath: Oct 14 2009, 10:14 AM

The ocean representing my emotions? hmmm... possibly. I tend to view it as representing an 'abyss' to me. In ancient Sumer, tiamatu, 'the abyss', was also the dark depths of the sea.

Keep in mind that emotions is not the only thing that the ocean can represent. It can just as easily symbolize passion or desire, healing, introspection, mystery, the sub-conscious self, female sexuality and female intellect. Women do tend to think differently than men. Not at all in a away that makes them inferior or superior (though you could probably argue one way or the other for certain individuals). And of course as you said, the ocean at night (more of a compound symbol of its own) can have a very personal meaning that is just for you. Even then I would suspect that as a personal symbol to you the ocean still would reflect a high degree of passion and emotion at least. You're also a very well spoken individual which demonstrates higher intellect - which might be more related to the sky and the symbolism involved with that. The ocean could still show a degree of intellect. What I certainly think it shows within the context of your dream is a deep, vast and complex spiritual side.

But a lot of the time personal symbolism is the overriding factor. I have read numerous dream interpretation books where its just a simplistic list, like a parrot represents your love of grilled cheese sandwiches or something.

Yeah I agree completely that symbols within dreams have a finite symbolism that only individuals themselves can really understand and relate to. I take most dream interpretation books with a grain of salt. Even well researched dream books are not an exact science. As far as its psychological value that really just depends on the desire of the individual to want to utilize their dreams as a means of self help. Self help can mean a lot of different things be it just a form of entertainment - hey I'm sure most people (guys and girls) would love to be able to play out their sexual fantasies within dreams. Or the self help can be more serious. A form of therapy or a away to recover old memories or deal with repressed thoughts, desires and emotions. That much is very well grounded in the higher echelon of psychology.

Although symbols within dreams have different meanings from one person to the next you can sort of apply a general vauge meaning to various symbols. I mean to say the sky represents intellect is a very vauge interpretation since intellect is such a complex catagory with its own subsets. Same with emotions and the ocean or other bodies of water. But what these vauge interpretations do is set a foundation, a pretext towards digging down deeper and looking crittically at other symbols within dreams and how they play out. For example and a totally random one at that - suppose a little boy dreams about a deep dark ocean where a huge shark chases him while telling him yelling at him like his father does. The symbolism of this dream has a very clear cut explaination that even a dime store psychologist could see - the boy is clearly traumatized by his father yelling at him. And the degree of trauma can be exhibited through other factors within the dreams as well as to how profound of an impact this dream had on the boy. Not only that but you could then look at this fictional boy's ife and look for patterns of behavior he actually does that may show emotional issues surrounded his dad. So to a degree we can interpret people's emotions and state's minds fairly accurately. Like I've said before give me 50 dreams - in detail - from an individual and I'll make a psychological profile of them.

Anyway, she had always said that being with that guy would not directly prevent me from reaching my spiritual goals, but would greatly delay it and cause me much pain. Since the end of the relationship, I have become a little less obstinate, and much more appreciative of her input.

I think it is important that you do live your life how you see fit even if you end up taking the "scenic" route on your spiritual path. Even a deity should know that human's have to figure things out for themselves. But at the same time I think its not a bad idea to really head your patron's advice in the future! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I mean I'm sure there was a degree and period of emotion pain for you and your fiance but had you ended the relationship earlier perhaps instead of grief you'd feel just empty not really knowing if that guy could have been the one. Which now I'd bet that'd be a stupid thing to ask you at the present. I'm sure you've come to understand the relationship is no more between you to. I think your deity was more trying to let you know that you can trust her - even if she already knows you won't always follow her advice. Even though she may be all knowing she has to come down to a level where a human being can understand, learn and grow from her wisedom. So rather than just totally ignore you and let you figure things out yourself entirely, she gave you a nudge in the right direction, even though she probably already knew you'd do your own thing. And I don't think the point was for you to follow her advice just to tell you that you can trust her more often. Which you do already any ways. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif)

It wasn't really an atypical spiritual encounter for me. Well the squid part was unusual hehe, but the rest really wasn't uncommon.
Until recently, I've spent time with her very very regularly. I would see her every day, either by way of astral projection, or lucid dreams, or by way of transvocation. And she is always impressive. We had become very much entwined, deep down. At times it was hard to tell where *I* ended and she began. But in recent months I've been on a more solitary stretch of my spiritual journey, which isn't easy after being so deeply bonded.

Whether or not one believes in Gods or demons or spirits or what ever else I think humans have a connection to the devine that can be considered "closeness to God". The idea of Hinduism being a polytheistic religion is actually a bit of a miss statement. Even though there may be 330 million deities each deity is just one facet of Brahman - the one true deity that is rather than an individual a force that is everything in the universe. A wise man once told me Brahman is that which is in you as he is in all else. But because Brahman is so unknowable people can choose spiritual paths through specific deities (that are incarnations of brahman in different forms) and acheive freedom from samsara. You having already achieved such a close relationship with a personal deity is really quite impressive! I hope it does help you to liberate yourself and achieve the spiritual goals laid before you in this life time.