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post Dec 13 2009, 09:26 PM
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Ok well to start off i was just wondering if there is any way to take anger and use it in a positive way? Because i have been really angry lately but i am trying to supress it. If there is any positive ways to use this anger instead of letting it build up to the point were i am getting headaches. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/angry_pissed_off_emoticon.gif)


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post Dec 14 2009, 01:09 AM
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I'm sure to get slapped with the hammer of indignant self-righteousness by saying so, but anger is not healthy, and cannot be used in a positive way. In my opinion, you may want to keep a journal, which you can call a kind of anger journal, where you can begin to collect and observe the things which make you angry, and how they make you angry. Route out the source of that anger and you may find some surprising things.

Yes, anger is a part of the human spectrum of experience, but I would say, from my own perspective, that this is because it shows us the location of imbalances and misunderstandings in our own psyche and paradigm. When we discover where the anger comes from, and we resolve into peace those origins, often times we find that we are more free than we were before.

If something has the power to make you angry, you are not free.

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post Dec 14 2009, 07:18 PM
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yeah. im kinda with vagrant. i believe anger to be your mind saying "you need to grow to overcome this, as you can't do it now, but for now you can just smack something if you want." get what i mean? as far as any imbalances in perspective or paradigm.. well, i wouldn't phrase it that way. its like an imbalance between the mind of your higher self, and your conscious mind.... you know, i think vagrant might've actually said it better...


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post Dec 14 2009, 07:53 PM
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Thank you guys for the post. I will make a journal to keep my thoughts in order and meditate on over passing these issues that is seeming to help when i step back for a second and analyze why im angry. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


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post Dec 14 2009, 11:40 PM
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There is nothing in terms of magical working in which anger is useful as far as I know. But if you want to buy a heavy bag and practice your punching, you might get some good exercise and work it out of you.


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post Dec 15 2009, 09:56 AM
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Consider the uses of adversity. Negative emotion can, at times, depending upon the psyche, help trigger a creative flow. But then, ALL strong emotion can do this. The Muse will ride you hard...anger can and will damage you on many levels, subliminating it or removing it is best, IMHO!


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post Dec 15 2009, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE(bym @ Dec 15 2009, 11:56 AM) *

Consider the uses of adversity. Negative emotion can, at times, depending upon the psyche, help trigger a creative flow. But then, ALL strong emotion can do this. The Muse will ride you hard...anger can and will damage you on many levels, subliminating it or removing it is best, IMHO!


Thanks i was just wondering if it could be used in magick practices. But i am working on my anger.


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post Dec 17 2009, 01:21 AM
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QUOTE(grim789 @ Dec 15 2009, 10:37 PM) *

Thanks i was just wondering if it could be used in magick practices. But i am working on my anger.


im sure there are spells which you could fuel with anger, so long as the spell would make sense with that violent energy in it. if you were doing any kind of spell to negatively effect somebody i'm sure that it would be the most effective energy to use.


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post Dec 17 2009, 02:51 AM
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anger is rather good for "getting things done". It can be a very robust force which you can aim at difficult tasks, the sort of tasks which don't require a clever solution, but just lots and lots of fortitude, that's the sort of task or obstacle which anger will be most effective on, especially ideal for very physical tasks. Wielding anger in this way naturally dissipates it in a constructive and healthy way.

Really though, what is there to become angry about? When you experience anger, most of the time it is in response to a situation which isn't *really* worth getting angry about.

In situations where you are really thoroughly justified in being angry however, anger is actually a less than ideal state of mind. If you are being significantly wronged, and have every good reason to be angry, that sort of situation is actually better dealt with by keeping your cool. I'm not saying one should turn the other cheek, or invite abuse through weakness. I am no pacifist. I'm just saying that if you really want to be "effectual" in dealing with confrontation, you'll want to have ALL of your faculties available to you. And anger (much like fear) can tend to disable your other mental faculties if you don't hold it in check. Myself I do this by sort of 'going cold', becoming essentially emotionless, and operating within the reptilian portion of the brain. The trigger for this is just a subjective decision that another being is an 'acceptable target', or put another way, someone I have identified as an individual for whom I am decisively willing to suspend all compassion.

Most often, in actual practice, the individual or being in question is what we'd call a 'bully' in one form or another. And after spending much of my life in a more meek mode of being, I've all too much experience with bullying. I have learned that the very best thing for bullies is an immediate show of force, even before their behavior becomes overt enough to warrant it. The process of the bully is to test the waters incrementally and see how far they can take their art, see who is gentle or polite enough to overpower. If you show that you are about as meek as a wolverine, right up front before anyone gets settled into any patterns of behavior which may be hard to break later, like 'letting things slide' letting the bully get away with some trivial early misbehavior, then it's pretty well 'nipped in the bud'.

Anyway, I think anger is a natural part of the psyche. I don't shun it. But like I said earlier, there's very little worth actually getting angry about in life. Maybe I'm getting old, but for the most part I'm pretty dispassionate about a lot of things which I see others getting quite upset about. I only really allow myself to get riled up in response to people who show the signs of a very negative pattern of behavior. And even then, sometimes, force isn't ideal. Sometimes just getting inside their head and establishing a rapport would suffice to defuse animosities. It really depends on whether the person you're dealing with is merely agitated (for any of a hundred reasons), or whether they are genuinely malicious in their thought processes. Not a whole lot of people are genuinely malicious in their thought processes.

I think the only time you'd really want to channel real true anger, as in 'rage', would be if you found yourself in a situation where you truly wished to destroy someone or something. And even then you'd want to dually wield fury and cunning, one in each hand so to speak, to give your fury a great deal more potency. It would be an interesting debate, whether there is ever a time when utterly destroying another being is justified... of course "justification" is an entirely subjective matter. I'd think that most would say that there is never such a justification. Myself? well, that'd be one of a few items which makes me better identify with LHP than RHP.

oh, also, there are entities which feed on nearly every emotional 'flavor', so that's always something to be conscious of when experiencing strong emotions of any kind.

** Edit: it's worth pointing out, that you can simply 'turn off' an emotion just by blocking all energy radiating outwards from the self. Emotion burns through energy like fire, and it can't function without being able to vent the 'exhaust' energy. If you block all outbound energy, completely and firmly, your emotions will simply flatline. It's interesting because you don't even have to be thinking about your emotions when you do it. it works regardless. I originally discovered it as a side effect rather than an actual intent. By using this, you can, at any time, 'cool your heels' in mere moments. It's also useful for other forms of emotional state, for example, you can use it to simply 'switch off' stage fright. or to reel your mind in from some slippery-slope emotion like jealousy. generally I only use this to curb emotions which I have a reason to curb. But if you get good at it, it gives you complete control. And it's got nothing to do with denial or repression, it works on the mechanical energetic functionality of emotion at it's most basic level.

With practice, you can get to where you are able to dis-empower any emotional reflex you have, without even having to think about it. This can be very useful to counteracting unwanted emotional baggage & unwanted emotional responses/reflexes. But it's sort of taking the programming of your own mind into your own hands. Some would argue that the person who does brain surgery on themself has an idiot for a surgeon. I'm of a somewhat more adventurous attitude myself.

also, you can channel *any* type of emotional energy to use in magick. the more potent the more effective it will be in your magick.

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post Feb 18 2010, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE(grim789 @ Dec 13 2009, 10:26 PM) *

Ok well to start off i was just wondering if there is any way to take anger and use it in a positive way? Because i have been really angry lately but i am trying to supress it. If there is any positive ways to use this anger instead of letting it build up to the point were i am getting headaches. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/angry_pissed_off_emoticon.gif)


Hello there, sorry your feeling this way. Im sure its unpleasent. I would suggest the following(very simple and easy so dont worry about success):

1. Concentrate on the person\people that made you feel this way(the cause basicaly) and return the anger(in energy form) to them to deal with, rather then you having to do so. Visualize the anger energy leaving you and going back to the ones that cause you to feel this way. You should feel a lot better afterwards(at least some sort of relief for sure (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ).

2. If its your own anger with yourself then that is something diffrent entirely. I would in such a case suggest either meditation(to confront yourself on a subconcious level) or just do it directly if you can and just give yourself some slack since whatever it is we, people in general, being alive and all allways have another chance to wake up tommorow and do things all over again. Some mountains are harder to climb, but eventualy we can do it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The second step would be of course purifying some of that anger to balance yourself and check for blockages(caused by too much of the same thing, as in the "anger") and clear those as well to restore normal flow... and to finish things off i would as well look at my aura and try to balanace it energeticaly and strengthen it. All this just so you are not left unbalanced and vulnerable. Would also suggest teaching your subconcious more positive ways of dealing with those kinds of situations in the future in a less emotional way(so you dont get overloaded when things dont go your way).

I know the first is easier then the second one, but i bet you can guess allready why hehe. ^^ Im sure things will work out for you!

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post Feb 20 2010, 06:04 PM
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QUOTE(Shimi @ Feb 18 2010, 11:46 AM) *

Hello there, sorry your feeling this way. Im sure its unpleasent. I would suggest the following(very simple and easy so dont worry about success):

1. Concentrate on the person\people that made you feel this way(the cause basicaly) and return the anger(in energy form) to them to deal with, rather then you having to do so. Visualize the anger energy leaving you and going back to the ones that cause you to feel this way. You should feel a lot better afterwards(at least some sort of relief for sure (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ).

2. If its your own anger with yourself then that is something diffrent entirely. I would in such a case suggest either meditation(to confront yourself on a subconcious level) or just do it directly if you can and just give yourself some slack since whatever it is we, people in general, being alive and all allways have another chance to wake up tommorow and do things all over again. Some mountains are harder to climb, but eventualy we can do it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The second step would be of course purifying some of that anger to balance yourself and check for blockages(caused by too much of the same thing, as in the "anger") and clear those as well to restore normal flow... and to finish things off i would as well look at my aura and try to balanace it energeticaly and strengthen it. All this just so you are not left unbalanced and vulnerable. Would also suggest teaching your subconcious more positive ways of dealing with those kinds of situations in the future in a less emotional way(so you dont get overloaded when things dont go your way).

I know the first is easier then the second one, but i bet you can guess allready why hehe. ^^ Im sure things will work out for you!


Thanks Shimi yeah things have been working out for me well i replyed in a previous post but ill say again LOL. I have been starting to step back and analyze my emotions and get away from the "Good" and "Bad" of the world. I started meditating and trying to understand my energy and manipulate it. This has helped out alot thank goodness for meditation (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blablabla.gif) .


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No problem buddy. Im just glad your feeling better and things are working out for you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I remmember i used to be a big fan of meditation when i was younger but then my methods didnt require me to meditate that much with all the shortcuts ive made into menipulating my state of mind and perception. Though lately i think ill return to doing it once more. Not everything that you can benefit from those meditations can be fully turned into a "speed dial" button or at least so im led to believe as of late. xD

Have a pleasent day (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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QUOTE(Shimi @ Feb 20 2010, 09:37 PM) *

No problem buddy. Im just glad your feeling better and things are working out for you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I remmember i used to be a big fan of meditation when i was younger but then my methods didnt require me to meditate that much with all the shortcuts ive made into menipulating my state of mind and perception. Though lately i think ill return to doing it once more. Not everything that you can benefit from those meditations can be fully turned into a "speed dial" button or at least so im led to believe as of late. xD

Have a pleasent day (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


I will thank you. Yeah meditation helps me out quite a bit (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif).


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