Non-magical People, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!! Options

i probably said this before, but don't you just cringe and turn all blue when somebody totally ignores the invisible that freaking jumping up and down right in front of them?

its like they think there is nothing here but here - pitiful, and nauseating

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It can be exasperating.... *sigh*
I could go on but Es has the right of it...why reiterate?

Note: I editted my original post as it was causing the initial 'thrust' of Es's thread to become
something it wasn't meant to! I apologize, both to her and the two others who responded.
Sometimes my mouth just flaps when it should be shut.

I personally appreciate it, considering the fact that most people aren't actually able to see my constructs reduces the need for me to actually hide them

Not everyone is born with these abilities.......some have to learn them later on in life.

and then i get this marvellous new idea (in a dream), and start to write it up on the computer, and the computer's mouse quits working completely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!

no reason, it just quit!!! - luckily i had a usb mouse handy, so take that, whatever the cause was!!!

so should i blame the invisible?

Es,
Not necessarily...We've been doing this for a long time...I can cause the lights in my city block to flicker and go out, a la Bell, Book and Candle....psychic phenomena frequently cause problems in the electro-magnetic spectrum....
that and the now built-in 'planned obsolescence' of products leaves us...where? Usually in the dark, frustrated and in nine-months an upward swing in the birthrate, LOL! Humans blame everything on the unknown...sometimes we-all use that fact very fortuitously! *grin* I have a few 'servitors' that are consistent in their draining power supplies, sometimes just for shits & giggles! Note the occurence with any flow of creativity and you may be rather amused by the results! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/i_triangle.gif)

I personally appreciate it, considering the fact that most people aren't actually able to see my constructs reduces the need for me to actually hide them

Hmmm.. at times its intresting like magick is such a world away from theirs that they deny its exsistance, their minds rationalise the everything from things. An alien could walk down a high street stark naked save a pair of florecent pink boots and a smile, perhaps a few sparkles for effect and people wouldn't bat an eye lid... or you could print that it was a disney promotion aid the rational mind set and it'd cover it up.

Share in the Grrrrr! Mentality though, met a soulmate a while ago, shared a powerful connection with the lady, could see through her at times we were so close... as in through her day to day experience, she wasn't translucent as such .lol. But she was blind to it and what it meant, happy to swap what would have been a good friendship for someone who could help her aspirations to fame... lol... she wanted to be a star and didn't realise that we were one.

Hmmm.. at times its intresting like magick is such a world away from theirs that they deny its exsistance, their minds rationalise the everything from things. An alien could walk down a high street stark naked save a pair of florecent pink boots and a smile, perhaps a few sparkles for effect and people wouldn't bat an eye lid... or you could print that it was a disney promotion aid the rational mind set and it'd cover it up.

Share in the Grrrrr! Mentality though, met a soulmate a while ago, shared a powerful connection with the lady, could see through her at times we were so close... as in through her day to day experience, she wasn't translucent as such .lol. But she was blind to it and what it meant, happy to swap what would have been a good friendship for someone who could help her aspirations to fame... lol... she wanted to be a star and didn't realise that we were one.

It might just be the tute tutelage I've received from the egregores and such, but its been a one-to-one scenario, so the whole idea of another individual learning off of another human honestly feels preposterous and ridiculous.

I feels like being taught neijia by somebody who has been practicing for seven years. If you wish to take me up on the example, I started practicing when I was seven with a fifty eight year old grandmaster from E Mei. The years do make a difference.

I understand that its inherently necessary to learn from each other and such, but I just never really understood to turn to an individual to help massively improve or learn entirely new disciplines of the art.

my big problem is dissociation, brought on by journeying outside this mangy world - i have seen how the other, invisible, half lives and it is a damn sight better that what we have gotten ourselves into - a shrink would try to pull me back into only this world from wherever it is that i am, then i look at this blind, greed-driven, awful world and shudder, thinking of these mostly awful people that inhabit it - then i get a lessoning on compassion, and i shudder again, thinking of how long this compassion has been taught and nothing has changed! - is this how an angel feels?

Alas....NO! There are angels and there are Angels....not all are compassionate. They operate out side of human parameters.
'Ineffable' is quite accurate. They interfere only when they must...but , rarely, is it from altruistic 'compassion'! 'This mangy world' is only 'mangy' because of humans
and those that they play with. This rock can be a glorious place if it wasn't thoroughly tainted by humans greed or the other 'denizens' who play with them.
Revolting, really. I can testify to having a bad case of 'species embarrasment'! *sigh* Sounds like you need a good pick-me-up Es!! How 'bout a sip of Nectar and some
finely roasted soul of Politician Pork? (I'll even give you dibs! *grin*) HUGS! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Yeah it is very annoying and they refuse to not believe i what they do not see. But i figure what the hell there missing out. If only there was some way to drag people out of there little boxes and open them up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

From one box to another, from one world to another. What do you think painters and singers and those long dead poets having been attempting to do. Someone is always trying to take you out of your own mind and into theirs. The reason for this is because when you experience something through your own mind its personal to you and more powerful than what you can imagine the person next to you has experienced. Lets be honest here, most would rather have the profound life changing love inspiring experience rather than have some random guy next to you have it and tell you of the glories of its world. What I think though is that everyone has "profound" experiences and they feel they were blessed with them or whatever and that they have some divine right to describe its world and how to get there. You live and experience through your own body and you know what takes you to bliss and what throws you in the pits, just live your life!

>>some finely roasted soul of Politician Pork?

ewwww, smells of corruption and comes with a side of pedophilia and debauchery - no thanks on the political long pork, even smothered in decent hoc sauce

look what happened to jonathan sharkey lol - fed on a political diet and ended up a nutcase and running for president as a republican vampire - even the vampires think he's gone round the bend for good and have disowned him - he's since dropped out of the republican party cause he found out he'd have to support the war, saying he hates war, then now he runs around calling others wannabe vampires and hypocrites and trying to start a vampire war - patso!

>>some finely roasted soul of Politician Pork?

ewwww, smells of corruption and comes with a side of pedophilia and debauchery - no thanks on the political long pork, even smothered in decent hoc sauce

look what happened to jonathan sharkey lol - fed on a political diet and ended up a nutcase and running for president as a republican vampire - even the vampires think he's gone round the bend for good and have disowned him - he's since dropped out of the republican party cause he found out he'd have to support the war, saying he hates war, then now he runs around calling others wannabe vampires and hypocrites and trying to start a vampire war - patso!

I see you haven't changed much Es! I still aint got a clue what you're talking about, or who you're talking to for that matter!

Es,
I hadn't thought of it quite like that...the pate' would be good after being fattened up over the years but, I suppose you're right, let 'em burn in the fire, they should produce those bewitching little colored flames with only the occasional reek of brimstone! Tainted meat isn't really my cup of tea, either...*sigh* it's all that duplicitous whining and back biting that goes on before they expire....nothing quite like what ole Limbaugh would do...(twitch, stagger, stagger, whine, twitch, stagger, crawl....) Ah, the Courts of Nero, now THAT man knew how to have a fire! Things here on the houseboat on the Styx have been relatively quiet of late....hoopla! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evilB.gif)

I see you haven't changed much Es! I still aint got a clue what you're talking about, or who you're talking to for that matter!

I see now you were talking to Bym, nevermind (IMG:style_emoticons/default/doh.gif)
What's with this talk of burning in fire. Is there some closet Christians here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/Symbols_1911.gif)
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P.S. I don't believe NON magical people exist. Everyone is magical and everyone will use magic in their lifetime. Some purposefully, most blindly("accidentally").
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This post has been edited by al_zaine: Mar 28 2010, 10:35 AM

>>I don't believe NON magical people exist

some say that, and its probably true, but those who are aware of magick are so in the minority these days - if you try to wake up the muggles (for want of a better word), you just get mad muggles - they really like that comfortable dualistic christian/islamic wool over their eyes and will pretty much do anything to avoid having to listen, which is why ad agencies use non-magical manipulation to drive their targets toward the intended and not have them running away from it as it makes them feel uncomfortable though they don't know why

>>Is there some closet Christians here

lots o' christians, kabbalists, solomonists, etc here - it is a 'well met' group and usually very tolerant of orthodox ideas as long as they have an open mind to all the other thoughtforms out there

This post has been edited by esoterica: Mar 29 2010, 08:24 AM

As possibly one of these "non-magical people", please don't hate me. I'm reading about all sorts of bizarrely creepy events in this forum: levitation, aura vision, spiritual parasites, demons, artificial sentient constructs, curses made of human bones, and etc., and I wonder, if I stay away from 'magick' (I know hardly anything about it), will I never encounter any 'supernatural' phenomena or might I potentially have a 'spiritual parasite' or etc. whether I believe in them or not?

For my self-protection, should I at least make an attempt to learn magick and how to use it to at least defend myself, or would it be better if I never looked into this ever again? Because if I take what is said in these forums at face value, it gives me the chills to think what some of the people on this forum do.

This post has been edited by myusername: May 20 2010, 12:19 PM

As possibly one of these "non-magical people", please don't hate me. I'm reading about all sorts of bizarrely creepy events in this forum: levitation, aura vision, spiritual parasites, demons, artificial sentient constructs, curses made of human bones, and etc., and I wonder, if I stay away from 'magick' (I know hardly anything about it), will I never encounter any 'supernatural' phenomena or might I potentially have a 'spiritual parasite' or etc. whether I believe in them or not?

For my self-protection, should I at least make an attempt to learn magick and how to use it to at least defend myself, or would it be better if I never looked into this ever again? Because if I take what is said in these forums at face value, it gives me the chills to think what some of the people on this forum do.

Magic is a byproduct of a much wider process of awakening to an expanded awareness. I'm not necessarily talking about prescient abilities or supernatural powers, but just the knowledge and understanding of a different side of reality. As that awareness begins to include a more complex reality, we become aware of things that wouldn't otherwise catch our attention. But, just because we don't pay attention to those things, doesn't mean that they don't affect us - or that we don't deal with them in other ways. I call it a spiritual parasite, you call it clinical depression, a chemical imbalance, malaise, etc. You'll go and get medication (as an example) to deal with it, while I'll resort to banishing the parasite and repairing the damage it leaves behind.

We both may see an old man surrounded by crows - but all you see is an old man surrounded by crows. I see the answer to my question, a sign or omen I was waiting for to confirm that my magic has initiated the necessary events to bring about my intention.

The fact is, we're all dealing with the same issues of being alive and observing the world. We all get depressed, angry, happy; we all feel compassion and hatred; we all get sick or injured, good things happen and bad things happen. The difference is that if there is no awareness, then all you really have to go on is the symptoms of these things, and you deal with them from a symptomatic point of view. Magicians, etc., view existence holistically, wherein symptoms are manifestations of subtler reality, and by becoming aware of and manipulating that subtler reality, we interact with the causes of 'symptoms' in a direct way.

So in other words, you experience the supernatural all the time - everyone does - they just don't realize it.

I'll leave the defining of supernatural alone for right now - suffice it to say that we have different definitions more than likely, based on our definition of nature as a phenomenal existence.

peace

Perhaps to add onto that most people do unconsciously do subtle world manipulations. Its just we're active about it. That also doesn't mean that the ones who consciously do it are better than those who are unconsciously willing things themselves.

My life the last few years has been utterly bizarre. A bunch of odd, sort of 'metaphorical' synchonicities (also noticed, to a lesser scale, by the other people around me), seem to revolve around me through especially literature, to the point that each work of literature in class seem to explain a fragment of myself, my life events and thoughts going through my head, with odd parallels, intertextuality, even getting the names right on multiple occasions. If this happened once or even a few times I and the people in my class would just think it was an unusual coincidence and think nothing more of it, but this happens over and over, with increasing sophistication and depth, where for the entire year, almost every book read in class can be related to me and a few people around me in relation to myself. It was completely bizarre, inexplicable, and it made me like a celebrity.

The other day I was watching this science documentary a teacher I had last year had, and just off the top of my head, let my mind wonder off the top of my head what potentially meanings it might have to my life. And it gave the strong implication, I'm drastically oversimplifying it, is that there are higher dimensions around us that we just can't see, but however, can be reached through something akin to a kind of thought and why this can be, is through something like magic. And through magic, you can bend the reality around you, and apparently, that was what I did. Now, I was really skeptical at this, since it was so ridiculous. But there was this intertexuality and odd meaningful parallels, with certain words repeated linking it to other stuff that I decided to suspend my almost disbelieving astonishment.

I remember going into an altered mental state sometime around tbe time when these odd synchonicities started happening. This was this author who wrote, (I'm grossly oversimplifying), that he could FEEL his thoughts as opposed to just thinking them through the ego. And that he thought he was divinely inspired with odd events happening through his life. And I thought his philosophical books were so amazing, so I tried to subsume my mind with his through his books, delving into my mind, reworking the libidinal forces within myself. Through my thoughts, I could feel something, that now oddly, sounds like description of the quantum universe.

I'm not quite sure what to make of this.

This post has been edited by myusername: May 21 2010, 01:10 AM

lol you don't need magic to access higher dimensions - and they are there whether you access them or not - it is only the reliance on vision, believing in only what you can see and can be proved through what you can see, and thus our limited thinking, that limits us to 3 dimensions - that doesn't mean the higher dimensions can't access us - for them there is no boundary - everybody's brain can go there naturally, we were all born with it - and then it is shoved out of us by society and a warped education system that denies it even exists!

when an invisible whatever is jumping up and down in front of your face, and you ignore it because it doesn't exists, then that which is ignored eventually gets mad enough to do something about it - and don't forget that the base of the 4th is in the 3rd, and as we nuke our dimension, they get really mad - just think what would happen if somebody nuked the second dimension, and how it would affect us here in the 3rd, and we would react to those that did it

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lol you don't need magic to access higher dimensions - and they are there whether you access them or not - it is only the reliance on vision, believing in only what you can see and can be proved through what you can see, and thus our limited thinking, that limits us to 3 dimensions - that doesn't mean the higher dimensions can't access us - for them there is no boundary - everybody's brain can go there naturally, we were all born with it - and then it is shoved out of us by society and a warped education system that denies it even exists!

when an invisible whatever is jumping up and down in front of your face, and you ignore it because it doesn't exists, then that which is ignored eventually gets mad enough to do something about it - and don't forget that the base of the 4th is in the 3rd, and as we nuke our dimension, they get really mad - just think what would happen if somebody nuked the second dimension, and how it would affect us here in the 3rd, and we would react to those that did it

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Well, I'm translating and oversimplifying meaning, which is hard to put down in words. The very concept of having higher dimensions and warping space through thought is itself, magical, mysterious, and matrix-like to me, which is probably a more accurate interpretation as explained at this situation, at least.

This post has been edited by myusername: May 21 2010, 07:45 AM

I'm going to be blunt, and I'm going to be cruel. But I am one human among the ocean of all of us.

It's your imagination. Most things are. Most of these things are psychosomatic, and you only want to believe them to feel special.

My life the last few years has been utterly bizarre. A bunch of odd, sort of 'metaphorical' synchonicities...

That would be because you're a concept thinker and you see them applied everywhere else. I do it. Most people who are dreamers do it. We think that the world surrounds us, and that's only natural because we're very much snotty little kids having not seen any of the world (I'm also eighteen.)

I remember going into an altered mental state sometime around tbe time when these odd synchonicities started happening. This was this author who wrote, (I'm grossly oversimplifying), that he could FEEL his thoughts as opposed to just thinking them through the ego. And that he thought he was divinely inspired with odd events happening through his life. And I thought his philosophical books were so amazing, so I tried to subsume my mind with his through his books, delving into my mind, reworking the libidinal forces within myself. Through my thoughts, I could feel something, that now oddly, sounds like description of the quantum universe.

The placebo affect is strong. Especially when it means you get to feel like you're magical.

To be positive, if everything is inherently based within the personal reality, than there isn't anything wrong with this at all. Man craves worth. Man also craves a lot of other things. But most of all, man craves truth. And frankly, if you think this is your truth, that it is most likely okay. Just remember that nobody will ever really, completely understand or care.

Your statement about feeling inter-dimensionality is pretty interesting. I've always thought that energy manipulation was interdimensional/interplanar energy manipulation, explaining why there's such a great cost for a physical reaction (heat, wind etc) from physical spells, whereas contruct and crowd control is alot easier (perhaps emoti-spiritual energies are the very energies we bend).

This post has been edited by kaboom13: May 21 2010, 01:53 PM

>>The very concept of having higher dimensions and warping space through thought is itself

you don't need to warp space, just access it as it is, right where it is, from right where you are - we are so used to the movies where they bring whatever down to our level, but to pull it down to our 3rd level just to get it visible to the 3rd, is to make it lose the very power it had by being 4th or whatever it was - we truly are amazing multidimensional creatures that can access it directly if we just stop with the incarnated view of everything and look through the eyes of the eternal soul

You made my day esoterica. I cannot say much else to that.