Problems when trying to meditate Options

Dear members,

I hope that any of you can give me some help or advice on how to prevent the following from happening, immidiately when I try to meditate(just closed my eyes):

Left side of the head feels of sick, itchy and hardened
Pain in the forhead, right between my eyes, a little higher
Can never relax, when I am relaxing I get an ill feeling over my whole body. (It heathens up extremely!)

What is the problem and what can I do about it?

-Dave

The hardness sounds like some tension or energy blocking and the sensation on the forehead is often a sign of the third eye chakra opening.

I am also wondering if you are trying to meditate between busy times, like a work lunch hour; there may be subconscious stress due to knowing that you have limited time available although you may think you are relaxing.

No, most of the time I meditate right before going to sleep.

But anytime I try it, get the same feelings.

What 'position' are you using?
Sitting down, laying down (on your side? or back?)

I find that if I lay on my back to try and sleep I get similar feelings, I have to sleep on my side. Also rather than trying to meditate, just sit/lay with your eyes closed. Do no think about meditating, do not think about not thinking, just be still and let whatever thought arise in your mind.

In my experience it is very hard for people to just be still and do nothing. We are conditioned to be doing something, anything, all the time. That may be watching tv, listening to music, reading a book etc. The mind has become used to stimulus, so you need to teach the mind not to require this stimulus.

Once you have achieved the above you can then start doing fun things with this new state of mind, but you need to build the foundations upon which this wall (meditation, one pointed mind) will rest.

you are doing well.

Just ignore the unpleasantness and keep meditating, focus on your breathing and try to remain unattached from these unpleasant feelings.

After a while your mind will silence and you will feel relaxed.

Meditation = torture of the mind trough boredom. (not completely true, but in a large sense it is)

When i meditate after sitting about 10 minutes i get almost the same experiences, exept the third eye pain. It is completely normal and its a sign you are doing it right.

Whoa... I guess I've been luckly.... I've "seen" or felt my third eye ever since I was 4...

Guess that is a goodbye-present I got from 2 years of dedicated satanism.

Now I'm learning about everything occult, world religions (epsecially Buddhism with the yoga and stuff)

And I might get practicing Wicca.

Oh yes, do I have to open my Third Eye or something, because it hurts so much? And what are the functions of it?

This post has been edited by Lianelli: Apr 29 2005, 08:31 AM

It's the thing that allows you to see things before they happen... It is also one of the chakas responcible for astral projection...

http://www.sacred-magick.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=584

Meditation is not easy, it's not relaxing it never was, it's pure torture.

After meditating you feel extremely relaxed, but during meditation every second seems like an hour.

Sure, after a while this effect goes away, and you enter a tranquil and relaxed state of mind, most wonderfull this is. But the first hour is all torture and pain, And depending on your concentration and focus you might or might not get into the second fase and beyond.

You have to set yourself a time. Now i will meditate for 40 minutes, you have to say to yourself. Then you sit down and start meditating, you can not allow yourself to move!!! You have to try to think about nothing besides your breath. Under no circumstances should you rise from your meditation before your set time is over!!!!! If you tell yourself to meditate for 40 minutes you will do exactly 40 minutes, even if you feel extremely uncomfortable once you get started.

You will not move for nothing!!! If the phone rings, ignore it!! If there is somebody at the door, just keep focused on your breath, do not rise yourself for it!!
Only if your house burns down or you are in any kind of mortal danger should you get up.


It is unpleasant, your mind gets bored quickly, the mind wants to play or do something else that is not boring.I even find my mind wanting to do things i usually dislike. The mind will try to use anything as an excuse to get up and do something else.

Our weak minds do not like meditation!! Its all about not giving up, and not listining to your childish minds complains.


Most people just sit down for a while, thinking about stuff, playing with their thoughs, and think they are meditating. They have never meditated! They are contemplating on their thoughts, wich is a good thing to do also. But it is not meditation, and it has completely different results.

Perhaps you will be one of us few that do truly meditate.

Also, beware of texts on the internet. There are many people that confuse contemplation with meditation. Contemplation is easy and the rewards are small, meditation is hard to do correctly, and its rewards are great.

the sensation on the forehead is often a sign of the third eye chakra opening.

Your third eye isn't supposed to hurt, when opening. It does hurt while doing energy stuff if it is out of balance.
And the other things that are described are also caused by energy imbalance, meditation can right those imbalances, though, and its a good idea to do so.

Meditation is not easy, it's not relaxing it never was, it's pure torture.

For me it is easy, actually its really relaxing and I get a real high out of it. What kind of meditation do you do?

mindfullness.
Thinking of nothing realy, just sitting and focusing on my breath. Not allowing my thoughts to play, and not thinking about anything.

If you think about stuff while meditating you are actually contemplating and not meditating. Contemplating is something i do also, and it is rather easy and relaxing.

Meditating is not something i find relaxing, and it can be quite painfull when doing it. But i do get a high out of it and I am relaxed, but after it. Also, when i get realy into the meditation i enter a state of tranquility that is quite soothing
but that is mostly after about an hour or so.

Ah well, my meditation also blanks the mind but not in the same way, except I dont force thoughts down, becuase that is using thought to fight thought, instead I direct my attention away from inside my head, and instead bring my attention to awareness of myself.

Anyway I am reading a trance book and I have a suggestion for Lianelli.
Excersize follows:

Excersize: Concious Confusion as a Healing Trance Technique

Find the time and space for a 10 minute trance. Sit down comfortably. Breathe deeply. Breathe into your stomach, and just concentrate on your breathing for a while. Feel how your breat flows into your hands, your palms, and how your blood pulsates, how all your attention become the protaganists of the trance game. Become aware of how different the two sides of your body and your left and right hand feel. Which hand feels stronger, healthier, more confident, better? Which hand is confused and indecisive, lazy, dark, oassive, or even paralysed? Sometimes the differences are clearly recognizable, and sometimes they aren't.
Then assign to the stronger hand the role of the "good hand". This hand contains all your potential for clarification, for finding solutions and making right decisions. Now imagine a set of scales: The potential is on one side, and the problem is on the other. Instead of a problem, it can be a conflict, the feeling of being trapped or stuck, the quandry of not knowing where to turn, the frustration of not being able to get ahead, or feeling powerless to act. Place all your incapability and confusion in the other hand.
Decide strictly which is better and which is worse: the right hand or the left, and all they symbolize. You know that both belong to you, to your situation, to life, just as both hands belong to the body. And now, after you have concentrated fully on the differemces, close your eyes, and keeping them closed, move the palms of your hands toward each other until they meet. Take your time; this is a valuble process, and it is important that you perceive it very consciously.
What we gain from this excersize is the truth that everything somehow belongs and fits together, even if our conciousness cannot grasp how. At first, this exercize is experienced as a process, a kind of approach. Then it changes its status and becomes a condition. Suddenly you feel, you know, that you have arrived at the condition of wholeness. The hands, for better or worse are joined together. This is not a half-hearted compromise but a physical feeling of wholeness. You feel whole and together, even if you are still as confused as you were before. You have an inkling that the confusion represents a transition to a new, higher order. You are also aware of how content it makes you feel to have found at least the physical feeling of unity.
While still pressing your palms together and feeling the intimate unification of both sides, breathe deeply to lock the feeling of oneness deep inside your body.

This post has been edited by Necropolis: May 14 2005, 11:44 PM

A smoking fox , I have a very similar experience to you when I meditate , it however is not every time , but when I first started meditating I never had this kind of experience. One thing I was wondering is that , do you get the sensation of the base chakra closing , this happens a few times , generally after a fairly intense level of focus is reached.
I usually relax my body before starting on the rise and fall of my stomach , It can get extreemly uncomfortable but it goes away after a while , then its like pushing against a force , funny things happen at this stage , the mind looses itself , the best way to describe it is like looking for your glasses while wearing them.
Their are three levels of Meditation that Everyones prob. aware of
CONCENTRATION
CONTEMPLATION
MEDITATION.